So, what is the church anyway?

Posted: July 10, 2012 in The Church

We are the church.  That is what I hear all the time.  Occasionally, that means, “Stop complaining about THE church, because we are THE church.”  Usually though, it means that Christians are the church; it isn’t a building, programs, or an institution.  While there is truth in there, it is being taken to mean that if a few Christians get together and talk about “spiritual” stuff, then that is church.  You don’t need a building, structure, or any of that “other stuff” to be the church.

For example, in books that I have read lately, they said that the following counted as church: 1) two guys meeting to play golf every week, where between putting and chip shots, they discuss the Bible and other spiritual issues; 2) a few people getting together at Starbucks and doing a Bible study together; 3) a picnic at the park where they hand out food to the poor people and talk to them about God.  Now, none of these things are bad things, but NONE of them qualifies as being called church as far as the New Testament is concerned.  Much of this sounds a lot like New Age thought to be honest.  New Age thought focuses on making a spiritual connection, where the “journey” is more important than a book, building, or program.  You don’t need to go to church, a synagogue, or a mosque to connect with God; in fact, those places with all their rules and legalism will probably keep you from truly connecting to God.

How did some of our books about Christianity end up sounding like New Age stuff??? I think that some people are so fed up with problems they see in the churches they have attended, that they like the thought that they can have “church” without all that junk they dealt with before.  No pastors to make them feel guilty for not giving more, no elders telling them not to question church doctrine, and no boring meetings that you have to drag yourself to every Sunday.  Instead, you can order a mocha, sit in comfy, mod looking chairs, and talk about whatever you want with your friends.  Ditch the wooden pew and hymnals and let’s have deep thoughts about the latest, greatest Christian author.

I hate to throw cold water on all this post modern church talk, but “church” in the New Testament contains the following aspects: organized meetings with a group of Christians, appointed group leadership that holds the church accountable, teachers and preachers who disciple others in the truths of Scripture, and a ongoing relationship with the body of Christ as a whole.  I will take us through Scriptures for each of these, but let’s start out with the first one.  It is true that the “church” is used sometimes in the New Testament to mean all Christians together, and not one specific group.

For example, Matthew 16:18, Acts  8:3, and Ephesians 1:22 all use the “church” to mean not just one individual group, but all Christians worldwide or at least in one area.  In 1 Corinthians 15:9, Paul says, “For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.”  We know that Paul persecuted Christians in many areas, so in this use, he means something closer to “all Christians”, and not just one individual group.  However, most New Testament references are referring to one individual group that is located in one area.  True, the “church of Corinth” might be made up of several house churches, but it is still an organized grouping of Christians in one area.  Christianity is not New Age thought in that it was never meant to be an individualistic experience. 1 Corinthians 16:9 brings it all together, “The churches of Asia send you greetings. Aquila and Prisca, together with the church in their house, send you hearty greetings in the Lord.”

Of course, church would be easier if it was just something you could do by yourself or with a select group of friends.  If you disagree and fight with yourself, you need serious help.  Yes, the location is not the issue, in that you could have a church meeting on a golf course, in a warehouse, or a coffee bar, but the heart of meeting together was fellowship, accountability, discipleship, and evangelism.  That organized body of believers could be contacted by others in different areas, recognized as a group, and held accountable in the larger body of Christ.  In 3 John 1:19, when there is an issue with a believer, John writes, “I have written something to the church, but Diotrephes, who likes to put himself first, does not acknowledge our authority.”  While we may not know what area exactly this church was in, John was able as an apostle of the early church to write to that organized group about an issue with one of its members.

In 1 Corinthians 4:17, Paul says, “That is why I sent you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church.”  My point is this, how could Paul visit and teach in “every church” if there were no organized, recognizable group to meet with?  As much as we would like to free ourselves from all the hassle of meeting with other people, we just can’t do what we want and call it “church”.  Of course you can pray and meet with God outside of church.  Even more to the point, you don’t have to be a member of an organized church to go to heaven (that one might rile some feathers).  Playing golf and hanging out with your buddies just isn’t what Jesus had in mind when He talked about His bride the church.  In the next post, we will look at how the New Testament says that churches have leadership.  Maybe that is what we really are trying to escape by redefining church…

Comments
  1. Sonny Huntsinger's avatar Sonny Huntsinger says:

    Oh Sean My friend you know i am going to have to speak up on this one. I think I will wait to see exactly where you are going with this first cause you can be tricky sometimes. So far though there is a bit of stuff in this post that i am going to hammer. Although I think you make some great points as well. I miss you brother!

    • The Bible Nerd's avatar wordinasia says:

      Don’t be shy. I need your feedback and comments. I always hoped this would be a blog that stirred discussion. Not that I want to throw ridiculous stuff out there just to get people angry, but that we learn best with processing. I do hear you though on waiting to see where I am going. I guess we will both find out 🙂

  2. Sonny Huntsinger's avatar Sonny Huntsinger says:

    I think what i hear you saying is that some people view the church as an idividualistic experience and what you are saying in response is that church is made up of structure with leadership as a recognizable group of individuals. I Believe that this misses the point. I do not think we can separate the church out as a thing to be obtained. I believe we inherit it as part of our identity when we become believers. Just as we are called friends of God, children of God, a royal priesthood. We are also the church. Therefore we cannot go to it we are it. We are the body of Christ. As the body we are many members but one body. For example i am over here by myself doing a work for God recognized by the body. I am still not separated from the body. I am still the church. Am I the whole Church no. I am just a bit of the church. Only a small part of it. Church is not something we have or go to we are it. Now does that mean that we do not have leadership within the Church? No. The Bible is pretty clear that we need leadership and accountability within the Church. But just as we are called Children of God as individuals we are a child of God. So as we are called the church as an individual i am still the church. So i think this ties in with what you are talking about because of the miss conception of what or who actually the Church is. Having a structured service with the church is not having Church it is having a Church gathering. I feel like i am saying the something over and over. Now with all that said I think that the confusion i am seeing here is calling the service that the Church has, “church” when the real issue is what constitutes a service that the church has as a group.

    • The Bible Nerd's avatar wordinasia says:

      Sonny, I totally hear where you are coming from, and I think I needed a whole post at the beginning of this to make things more clear. I believe that the NT presents two different meanings of the word church. There is the big C and the little C. The big C is the church worldwide, which we could also call the body of Christ. I think this is mainly where you are coming from. This is all Christians together as the Bride of Christ. It has nothing to do with a location or meeting. As soon as you are saved, you are part of the big C church. You can’t be separated from it, even when alone (unless you are a believer in losing your salvation, which is a whole other matter!). However, it is clear to me that the NT also presents the small c church, which is a local group of Christians who have meetings, leadership, teaching, etc… We as Christians are always part of the big C church, and SHOULD be part of a little c church. You don’t have to be part of a little c church to be saved, but it is clear from the NT that we should be gathering together as the small c (see Hebrews 10:25 for example). The challenge is that in every NT passage with the word church, you must see which one is being discussed (I think I did mention this in one of my first posts). I think I need to do a post on this, so thank you Sonny for pointing out my lack of clarity here. Of course, you may still disagree with me no matter how clear I am making myself! As always, I love your feedback as a brother, friend, and fellow co-worker. Say hi to the family for me.
      Sean

  3. Sonny Huntsinger's avatar Sonny Huntsinger says:

    I see three c’s Big C global body, Little c local body, and littler c, individuals. It is about identity.

    • Sonny Huntsinger's avatar Sonny Huntsinger says:

      In other words there does not have to be a meeting for the church to be present. I am not saying that we shouldn’t meet together i am just saying that a service does not make a church. the church makes the service.
      I will tell the family you said hi. You are awesome bro keep up the good work and tell your family hi from us as well.

      • The Bible Nerd's avatar wordinasia says:

        I agree that the service or building don’t “make” the church. I am not sure I agree that as an individual alone, that we are the “church”. Definitely, we are part of the church. I agree that people are the church. I just feel that church is used to describe us together as the body. Anywho, I think we may be agreeing and just picking apart terms, so for the sake of unity, you should just agree with me. Just kidding, thanks again for the feedback. Keep firing away!
        Sean

  4. Sonny Huntsinger's avatar Sonny Huntsinger says:

    HAHA You always make me laugh! Thanks bro!! many blessings

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